J. Sybylla Smith, In Conversation with Brea Souders

Episode #61, Summary

Artist Brea Souders engages in a diaristic conversation with a female chatbot, creating a bridge between art and AI.

Episode Notes 

Another Online Pervert creates a visual and text dialog between photos from Souders’ image archive and snippets of written copy from a two-year engagement with an AI personality chatbot. Utilizing prompts from her childhood journals, an emotional call and response is created between human sense and sensibility and machine capability and capacity. Photographs, including a few family snapshots, weave a parallel narrative blending the notions of perception that we all possess between time, memory and meaning. 

In this conversation, Brea discusses, among other things:

  • Real-world vs virtual world

  • Dislodging gendered social constructs

  • Cathartic spaces for non-conformity

  • Enabling surprise

  • Being bot-ified 

  • Originality aka going off script

  • Evolution of a project

  • Memory vs past vs time without borders

  • Engaging archives

  • Collaborative editing

  • Mixing formats

  • Mean playfulness

  • Women being erased from technology history

Referenced in the episode

12 Bytes by Jeanette Winterson 

The Most Human Human by Brian Christian

Glitch Feminism: A Manifesto by Legacy Russell

Technelegy by Sasha Stiles

Genius Makers: The Mavericks Who Brought AI to Google, Facebook, and The World by Cade Metz 

Futureproof: 9 Rules for Humans in the Age of Automation by Kevin Roose 

The Age of Surveillance Capitalism by Shoshana Zuboff

The Imitation Game (movie)

The Seasteading Institute

Ada Lovelace Institute (United Kingdom)

NYT Daily Podcast: The Godfather of A.I. Has Some Regrets

Center for AI Safety: Statement on AI Risk

‘The Godfather of AI’ Leaves Google and Warns of Danger Ahead, The New York Times

OpenAI (San Francisco)

Center for AI Safety (San Francisco)

Open Philanthropy 

Planned Obsolescence 


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